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. they came up with instead a very, very weak answer. harry reid caved into the republicans on this, i hate to say it. sol many democrats were saying this is going to be fine because now, we all agree that you need 60. we didn't get rid of it. they can use it. they don't have to come to the floor and talk at that talk, but it's going to work. it's going to work because republicans have greedp agreed they will filibuster for stuff that's really important. when harry reid and mitch mcconnell agree this is really worth it. damn if, we said at the time this was phony, it was not going to work, it was not going to make any change. republicans were going to abuse it. they would never abide by that agreement. two weeks ago. republicans trotted it out yesterday, put a filibuster on the nomination of chuck hagel to be our next secretary of defense, and they won. you need 60 votes to get over it. and the most they could get with the democrats and four republicans was 58 votes t he lost by one vote. harry reid ended up having to vote no. that way, by voting know he
't attack the president. they attacked nancy pelosi and harry reid. they avoided talking about -- >> but here, they have to go one on one with the president because he's the one that they're fighting with. it is not really harry reid and nancy pelosi leading the charge. >> bill: the other thing they say, we can absorb this. it won't be so bad. $1.2 trillion, that's over ten years. yet the pentagon comes out yesterday with a -- not with a study, they reported that they've already told 800,000 civilian employees you're going to face a furlough if this kicks in. that means they take one day a week off. that's a 20% cut in their pay. again, i'm trying to get in the mindset of republicans who think it is a good idea to let this happen. >> well, even unless -- if you look at the defense spending that we would go back, this would roughly be what the defense department was spending in 2006-2007 when they're waging two wars. maybe the defense department could cut back. the pentagon has never been able to do a full audit. it is risky because the white house put out a memo. i'm sure you s
or whatever. they laid this on harry reid and that's how it all got started. he is -- so i says obama is lying basically is what he is saying, you know. he is dead wrong. the sequester did not start with jack lew. it are started back in 1985 with graham-rudman. >> that's when they first had the sequester for that round of budget cuts. so it's an idea that's been around. yes, as jay carney has pointed out, if there was a meeting with the white house, would the republicans remember who were holding up refuses to do anything about raising the debt ceiling because they said we have to have a lodge-term deficit reduction plan: the president said we will appoint this committee. >> i am having bad flashbacks >> bill: we were this and they said how do we know the super committee is going to do its job and jack lew said i remember something that they did 25 years ago or whatever called a sequester. the republicans said we like that idea. we will hold this giant rock above people's heads that will fall on their heads if they don't do hair job. the republicans e
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